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		<title>Comment on Deafness by Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But doesn&#039;t everybody, in one way or another, face obstacles in their lives? And shouldn&#039;t everyone achieve a sense of pride when accomplishing something (whether that&#039;s overcoming an obstacle or not)?

It&#039;s true that some difficulties are greater than others, and some people achieve more than others. But I don&#039;t see what any individual&#039;s achievement has anything to do with another&#039;s.

And I certainly don&#039;t think that people should be grouping with one another based on characteristics outside their control. People should group together based on shared chosen values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But doesn&#8217;t everybody, in one way or another, face obstacles in their lives? And shouldn&#8217;t everyone achieve a sense of pride when accomplishing something (whether that&#8217;s overcoming an obstacle or not)?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that some difficulties are greater than others, and some people achieve more than others. But I don&#8217;t see what any individual&#8217;s achievement has anything to do with another&#8217;s.</p>
<p>And I certainly don&#8217;t think that people should be grouping with one another based on characteristics outside their control. People should group together based on shared chosen values.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deafness by Adam Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t groups of people with a commonly identifiable trait (i.e. Blacks or people with disabilities) achieve a sense of pride, not in the trait itself, but in the struggles which they fight in trying to overcome adversities presented by the trait&#039;s &quot;deficiency&quot; or divergence from the norm of society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t groups of people with a commonly identifiable trait (i.e. Blacks or people with disabilities) achieve a sense of pride, not in the trait itself, but in the struggles which they fight in trying to overcome adversities presented by the trait&#8217;s &#8220;deficiency&#8221; or divergence from the norm of society?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rawls: Mistaken or Evil? by Kelly Murray</title>
		<link>http://blog.deltawerx.com/?p=93&#038;cpage=1#comment-9397</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice essay, Arthur. I, too, would rather be a poor person in a laissez-faire capitalist society than to be granted redistributed alms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice essay, Arthur. I, too, would rather be a poor person in a laissez-faire capitalist society than to be granted redistributed alms.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arthurisms by igor zey</title>
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		<dc:creator>igor zey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Igorisms:

  Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either, just f--- off and leave me alone.
 
§         The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a flat tyre.
 
§         The darkest hours come just before the dawn. So if you&#039;re going to steal your neighbour&#039;s milk and newspaper, that&#039;s the time to do it. 
 
·         Sex is like air. It only becomes really important when you aren&#039;t getting any.
 
§         Don&#039;t aspire to become irreplaceable. If you can&#039;t be replaced, you can&#039;t be promoted.
 
§         Remember, no one is listening until you fart.
 
§         Never forget that you are unique, like everyone else.
 
§         Never test the depth of the water with both feet.
 
§         If you think nobody cares whether you&#039;re dead or alive, try missing a couple of mortgage payments
 
§         Before you judge someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you judge them, you&#039;re a mile away and you have their shoes.
 
§         If at first you don&#039;t succeed, avoid skydiving.
 
§         Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
 
§         Have you ever lent someone £20 and never seen that person again? It was probably worth it.
 
§         If you tell the truth, you don&#039;t have to remember anything.
 
§         Some days we are the flies; some days we are the windscreen.
 
§         Don&#039;t worry; it only seems kinky the first time.
 
§         Good judgment comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgment.
 
§         The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket.
 
§         A closed mouth gathers no feet.
 
§         There are two theories about how to win an argument with a woman. Neither one works.
 
§         Generally speaking, you aren&#039;t learning much if your lips are moving.
 
§         Never miss a good chance to shut up.
 
§         Experience is something you don&#039;t get until just after you need it.
 
§         When we are born we are naked, wet, hungry, and we get smacked on our arse. From there on in, life gets worse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Igorisms:</p>
<p>  Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either, just f&#8212; off and leave me alone.</p>
<p>§         The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a flat tyre.</p>
<p>§         The darkest hours come just before the dawn. So if you&#8217;re going to steal your neighbour&#8217;s milk and newspaper, that&#8217;s the time to do it. </p>
<p>·         Sex is like air. It only becomes really important when you aren&#8217;t getting any.</p>
<p>§         Don&#8217;t aspire to become irreplaceable. If you can&#8217;t be replaced, you can&#8217;t be promoted.</p>
<p>§         Remember, no one is listening until you fart.</p>
<p>§         Never forget that you are unique, like everyone else.</p>
<p>§         Never test the depth of the water with both feet.</p>
<p>§         If you think nobody cares whether you&#8217;re dead or alive, try missing a couple of mortgage payments</p>
<p>§         Before you judge someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you judge them, you&#8217;re a mile away and you have their shoes.</p>
<p>§         If at first you don&#8217;t succeed, avoid skydiving.</p>
<p>§         Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.</p>
<p>§         Have you ever lent someone £20 and never seen that person again? It was probably worth it.</p>
<p>§         If you tell the truth, you don&#8217;t have to remember anything.</p>
<p>§         Some days we are the flies; some days we are the windscreen.</p>
<p>§         Don&#8217;t worry; it only seems kinky the first time.</p>
<p>§         Good judgment comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgment.</p>
<p>§         The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket.</p>
<p>§         A closed mouth gathers no feet.</p>
<p>§         There are two theories about how to win an argument with a woman. Neither one works.</p>
<p>§         Generally speaking, you aren&#8217;t learning much if your lips are moving.</p>
<p>§         Never miss a good chance to shut up.</p>
<p>§         Experience is something you don&#8217;t get until just after you need it.</p>
<p>§         When we are born we are naked, wet, hungry, and we get smacked on our arse. From there on in, life gets worse</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homeopathy by Arthur</title>
		<link>http://blog.deltawerx.com/?p=45&#038;cpage=1#comment-9388</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, it&#039;s more sad than funny.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Rawls: Mistaken or Evil? by Arthur</title>
		<link>http://blog.deltawerx.com/?p=93&#038;cpage=1#comment-9387</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the &quot;equality&quot; principle, that&#039;s true given the quotation I selected, but I&#039;m going off what the professor described in class, and I suspect she knows what Rawls meant better than I do. But now that I think about it more carefully, I do think that Rawls was mostly interested in equality, and not maximizing freedom: he would be okay with curtailing liberty in order to further his maximin principle (through redistributing wealth). So however similar it may be superficially, it definitely has nothing to do with the Objectivist understanding of liberty as the absolute prerogative to do whatever one wishes with one&#039;s person and property, provided one doesn&#039;t interfere with other&#039;s ability to do the same--especially since the Objectivist understanding is based on recognizing the role of Man&#039;s mind in his life and how force is anathema to it.

Regarding the &quot;original position&quot; comments--I&#039;ll have to think about how to revise my post. I see what you&#039;re saying, so I see how what I wrote was unclear. I definitely like your much better example of the post office worker and entrepreneur. I&#039;ll try to incorporate that into my revision. Although we do have a standard of justice external to Rawls&#039;s--viz., the Objectivist view on justice. I&#039;m not trying to poke internal inconsistencies in Rawls&#039;s position (on that matter)--I&#039;m showing how they contradict a rational concept of justice.

As for the &quot;direct cause-and-effect&quot;, all I&#039;m talking about is every trade anybody every makes with anybody else. Microsoft being supremely wealthy makes it possible for them to offer me Microsoft Windows at a very low price relative to the value I derive for it (Vista&#039;s crappiness notwithstanding). The wealthier Microsoft is, the more profit they can make--by making its consumers that much better off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the &#8220;equality&#8221; principle, that&#8217;s true given the quotation I selected, but I&#8217;m going off what the professor described in class, and I suspect she knows what Rawls meant better than I do. But now that I think about it more carefully, I do think that Rawls was mostly interested in equality, and not maximizing freedom: he would be okay with curtailing liberty in order to further his maximin principle (through redistributing wealth). So however similar it may be superficially, it definitely has nothing to do with the Objectivist understanding of liberty as the absolute prerogative to do whatever one wishes with one&#8217;s person and property, provided one doesn&#8217;t interfere with other&#8217;s ability to do the same&#8211;especially since the Objectivist understanding is based on recognizing the role of Man&#8217;s mind in his life and how force is anathema to it.</p>
<p>Regarding the &#8220;original position&#8221; comments&#8211;I&#8217;ll have to think about how to revise my post. I see what you&#8217;re saying, so I see how what I wrote was unclear. I definitely like your much better example of the post office worker and entrepreneur. I&#8217;ll try to incorporate that into my revision. Although we do have a standard of justice external to Rawls&#8217;s&#8211;viz., the Objectivist view on justice. I&#8217;m not trying to poke internal inconsistencies in Rawls&#8217;s position (on that matter)&#8211;I&#8217;m showing how they contradict a rational concept of justice.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;direct cause-and-effect&#8221;, all I&#8217;m talking about is every trade anybody every makes with anybody else. Microsoft being supremely wealthy makes it possible for them to offer me Microsoft Windows at a very low price relative to the value I derive for it (Vista&#8217;s crappiness notwithstanding). The wealthier Microsoft is, the more profit they can make&#8211;by making its consumers that much better off.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homeopathy by A-bomb</title>
		<link>http://blog.deltawerx.com/?p=45&#038;cpage=1#comment-9386</link>
		<dc:creator>A-bomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is funny, Arthur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is funny, Arthur.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rawls: Mistaken or Evil? by Alden</title>
		<link>http://blog.deltawerx.com/?p=93&#038;cpage=1#comment-9385</link>
		<dc:creator>Alden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On your critique of the &quot;equality principle&quot;.  Saying everyone is to have the &quot;most extensive basic liberty&quot; is to say that they should have the most freedom possible.  Constraining it to be &quot;compatible with a similar liberty for others&quot; is the same constraint Objectivists use when they say that their freedom of behavior and self-interest is limited to removing that freedom from others.  I will, however, concede that the word &quot;equality&quot; in the title is a bit misleading, as equality is not freedom.  But this description you provide does imply freedom, not equality.

Your distinction as to the right of free speech to be the right to speak, not the right to be heard is quite correct.  I find it curious that this isn&#039;t expanded to other areas of _equality of opportunity_ versus _equality of results_ as well.

Regarding the &quot;original position&quot; - don&#039;t say that &quot;the better-off would not want a system of social organization that might make them worse off, even though it would be just&quot;.  Rawls is trying to define this sort of situation as &quot;just&quot;.  Your phrasing makes it seem like the justice by which we evaluate this is external to Rawls&#039; argument, which it isn&#039;t.

I don&#039;t think Rawls&#039; views on desert necessitate static wealth.  It would be consistent with his arguments to say that people can create wealth, but that it&#039;s not deserved by them because their ability to create it is derived from their undeserved starting point.  What would be appropriate to point out is that people from equal starting positions can end up with different levels of wealth.  The lazy guy who is content working at the post-office his whole life or the entrepreneur who makes millions can both come from farmer parents in the same small town.  What accounts for their resulting differences?  The entrepreneur *earned* his difference.

He does say why we should be concerned with wealth differences.  He thinks it&#039;s a social stability issue.  The poor get upset when they have too little money.  Of course, this isn&#039;t an argument, just an observation, and by no means a justification for moral claim or authority.

It would be good to give an example of the &quot;direct cause-and-effect&quot; of the wealthy producers benefiting the poor person.  It takes a lot more background to believe this claim than you argue for in this short paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On your critique of the &#8220;equality principle&#8221;.  Saying everyone is to have the &#8220;most extensive basic liberty&#8221; is to say that they should have the most freedom possible.  Constraining it to be &#8220;compatible with a similar liberty for others&#8221; is the same constraint Objectivists use when they say that their freedom of behavior and self-interest is limited to removing that freedom from others.  I will, however, concede that the word &#8220;equality&#8221; in the title is a bit misleading, as equality is not freedom.  But this description you provide does imply freedom, not equality.</p>
<p>Your distinction as to the right of free speech to be the right to speak, not the right to be heard is quite correct.  I find it curious that this isn&#8217;t expanded to other areas of _equality of opportunity_ versus _equality of results_ as well.</p>
<p>Regarding the &#8220;original position&#8221; &#8211; don&#8217;t say that &#8220;the better-off would not want a system of social organization that might make them worse off, even though it would be just&#8221;.  Rawls is trying to define this sort of situation as &#8220;just&#8221;.  Your phrasing makes it seem like the justice by which we evaluate this is external to Rawls&#8217; argument, which it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Rawls&#8217; views on desert necessitate static wealth.  It would be consistent with his arguments to say that people can create wealth, but that it&#8217;s not deserved by them because their ability to create it is derived from their undeserved starting point.  What would be appropriate to point out is that people from equal starting positions can end up with different levels of wealth.  The lazy guy who is content working at the post-office his whole life or the entrepreneur who makes millions can both come from farmer parents in the same small town.  What accounts for their resulting differences?  The entrepreneur *earned* his difference.</p>
<p>He does say why we should be concerned with wealth differences.  He thinks it&#8217;s a social stability issue.  The poor get upset when they have too little money.  Of course, this isn&#8217;t an argument, just an observation, and by no means a justification for moral claim or authority.</p>
<p>It would be good to give an example of the &#8220;direct cause-and-effect&#8221; of the wealthy producers benefiting the poor person.  It takes a lot more background to believe this claim than you argue for in this short paragraph.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Objectivism by Rawls: Mistaken or Evil? &#124; Objectiblag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rawls: Mistaken or Evil? &#124; Objectiblag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As a rational, selfish individual myself, I would sooner be the poor person in a laissez-faire capitalist society than a recipient of forcefully redistributed alms. As a rational, selfish individual, I know that initiating force is not in my interests and that neither my sacrifice to others nor others&#8217; sacrifices to me are in anybody&#8217;s interests, let alone mine. In the fourth paragraph, I had a bit to say about the role of a proper government, and that depends on a correct understanding of rights, the initiation of force, the role of reason in Man&#8217;s life, and why life is the ultimate standard in ethics. There&#8217;s obviously a lot to say about these issues, something that&#8217;s more appropriate to the page on Objectivism. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As a rational, selfish individual myself, I would sooner be the poor person in a laissez-faire capitalist society than a recipient of forcefully redistributed alms. As a rational, selfish individual, I know that initiating force is not in my interests and that neither my sacrifice to others nor others&#8217; sacrifices to me are in anybody&#8217;s interests, let alone mine. In the fourth paragraph, I had a bit to say about the role of a proper government, and that depends on a correct understanding of rights, the initiation of force, the role of reason in Man&#8217;s life, and why life is the ultimate standard in ethics. There&#8217;s obviously a lot to say about these issues, something that&#8217;s more appropriate to the page on Objectivism. [...]</p>
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